Friday 22 June 2012

Roll Up, Roll Up, Come See The Bearded Scotsman!

For those wondering what the bearded Scot who runs this place looks and sounds like in motion, Howard Days documentarian Ben "warriorphotog36" Friberg has uploaded his recording of the "80 Years of Conan"  panel from 10th June 2012. I've updated the Day 2 post to include the video, but I thought I'd highlight it here too, so I can discuss a few things.


While I agree that not everyone is going to like Conan, and that someone of a particularly analytical and scientific mindset may have a harder time, I must respectfully disagree with Mr Finn in his suggestion that Conan was the same sort of guy who would stuff 8-year-old Mark into lockers and take his lunch money.* I can't speak for American experiences with bullying, but that sort of thing sounds a lot more like Postumo of "The God in the Bowl" than Conan to me: the sort of cowardly jackbooting and macho posturing which would get you killed if you tried it in Cimmeria. I tend to think that if Conan was someone you knew at school, he'd be the one sent to juvie for beating up the gym teacher after being browbeaten once too often. And then stealing his car.

The script Paul was referring to seems to be Conan the Conqueror rather than the more famous Crown of Iron, since Conan doesn't become king of Aquilonia in the latter, at least in the script I've read: either that, or he's read a very different version of the script from me, which is entirely possible. Or maybe he liked Crown of Iron better than I did, which is also feasible (it'd be harder to find someone who liked it less than I did!)

I really wish I hadn't brought up that "barbarians didn't burn the Library of Alexandria" comment, since I don't think I was clear about it: what I was trying to say is that there's significant cultural baggage when it comes to the term "barbarian," equating it with destruction, violence, atavism and the like at the exclusion of positive traits. As such, when you say to some that Conan had a great love and respect for art, poetry and song, it comes as a shock to them: isn't Conan the Big Dumb Barbarian who's only interested in lowly carnal pursuits? That's what I was getting at.

Finally, isn't it amusing that a panel ostensibly about Conan talks about Robert E. Howard a lot more, especially the second-to-last question where we talk about what an alternate-universe Howard wrote instead of Conan?

When Ben posts up the rest of the panels, I'll let you know.

*Michal points out that Mark may have been talking about adherents of scientific positivism having that impression of Conan, not that Mark himself held those sentiments: that makes more sense to me. Hopefully Mark'll come by and clarify.

11 comments:

  1. Al, you state above - "I really wish I hadn't brought up that "barbarians didn't burn the Library of Alexandria" comment, since I don't think I was clear about it: what I was trying to say is that there's significant cultural baggage when it comes to the term "barbarian," equating it with destruction, violence, atavism and the like at the exclusion of positive traits."

    I think that is exactly what you communicated. I got that the day we were all in the room and you said it.

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    1. I was hoping so, rather than going all histrionic: thanks, Todd!

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  2. Hero of the Federation22 June 2012 at 19:18

    ooh rah!

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  3. wow great i have read many articles about this topic and everytime i learn something new i dont think it will ever stop always new info , Thanks for all of your hard work!

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  4. I must respectfully disagree with Mr Finn in his suggestion that Conan was the same sort of guy who would stuff 8-year-old Mark into lockers and take his lunch money.

    If I'm hearing correctly, he said that some science fiction authors/readers committed to scientific positivism might perceive Conan as that guy who shoved them in the lockers in high school, not that Conan would actually do such a thing.

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    1. That makes much more sense, especially considering he brings up Postumo. I'll amend it.

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  5. Wow, this was awesome, and a lot to unpack. I need to watch it again.

    Dude, Paul Sammon and Mark Finn? Legendary. You held your own with those two heavyweights Al. Great job. Makes me green with envy that I missed Howard Days.

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    1. Hopefully I'll be able to shake your hand at Howard Days one year, Brian! Paul and Mark were fantastic, and I'm glad I got the opportunity to join them.

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  6. My point was mangled in the context of what I was saying. I didn't mean that Conan would have bullied ME. What I meant was, that to the SF writers, fans, and uber-nerds of the 1950s, Conan reminded THEM of the guys who used to bully them. I think people read the surface of the Conan stories and miss the polyglot, the art lover, the master tactician, the defender of the under dog and just see a guy dumping a girl into a cesspool. It's very easy, as you well know, to misread Conan entirely because preconception is so high and so strong.

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    1. Not at all, Mark, if anyone's mangled the point it was me. And I definitely agree that might have been possible, stereotypes being what they are.

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